Are wins enough?

[Hit Boy]

What does it take to be a marketable fighter? Are wins enough? I know alot of fighters that have great records but no one knows who they are?

[Jacob Jeff]

I think a fighter is marketable by how he acts out there in the fight. There is alot of people who came to the 1st PFC and they keep asking me if that guy who dances in the ring girls cage is going to fight again because they want to see him again. All of us who follow the fight game know his name is Shawn Bias but people out there getting into the sport only know him as the guy who dances. You gotta find that little something that makes people remember you only if it's your actions or some funny/crazy thing you did. My opinon.

My wife says the fighters got to win and if they lose then they got to loose by going out there and not giving a sh#$ if they lose as long as they bring the fight. She's also a big Olaf fan so I think she was talking about him.

[Hit Boy]

What am i chopped liver? I thought she was a Hit Boy fan?

[Jacob Jeff]

No she asked if Hit Boy was a man :p Just kidding bro

[Kanklekiller]

The boobs threw her off?

[Ruger]

imo be yourself. Nobody likes a fake bad azz, like tito trying to talk smack, always,to me, seem scripted. Yes he's a bad azz, but it doesn't sound right.
Biiaz would dance win or lose because it's him.

And to lose BIG is better, imo than to win safe from a fans point of view.

[bullet]

Ill take a win over being marquee any day.

Everyone is marketable. Just depends on the smoke and mirrors.

[Kanklekiller]

For a succesful career a fighter must be brought along at their own speed. Each fight is a learning tool, and experience toward an ultimate goal.

If a person has a "goal fight" or wants to put a "benchmark" on where they are at in their career, they should strive for it.

Look at each major stepping stone as a peak. People don't just climb Mt. Everest, they start with smaller mountains and train for it by mt. climbing.

If you want to beat/fight "X-fighter" as a goal, then train for him in practice. Practice for him by fighting similar, but less formidible opponents, then, after taking 3,4, even 5 pratice fights, step up and test yourself. All the fights leading up to the big fight should have some concievable benefit for the big match. Then, test yourself.

If all you do is fight at your potential peak level, and amass a losing record you have just taken away you payday, and availability to promoters as a marquee matchup.

No fighter, of similar skill level would want to fight Bullet, because his record isn't as good as his skills and they don't want to lose to someone with his record.
Same goes for Double Wide Del Real, the guy can fight,(people, trailers...you name it..he's game) and has the potential to beat them.

Try to keep your winning percentage at or above 75% and it keeps you marketable. The fighters record is just one aspect of marketability, but it is important.

Now, if you just want to pound a few beers and step into the GC cage on a dare from your friends that think you're tough cuz you beat up a few people in high school and are really strong or hit really hard, this doesn't apply. But for a career, its a damm good thing to keep in mind, expecially now that the money is getting better.

[bullet]

For a succesful career a fighter must be brought along at their own speed. Each fight is a learning tool, and experience toward an ultimate goal.

If a person has a "goal fight" or wants to put a "benchmark" on where they are at in their career, they should strive for it.

Look at each major stepping stone as a peak. People don't just climb Mt. Everest, they start with smaller mountains and train for it by mt. climbing.

If you want to beat/fight "X-fighter" as a goal, then train for him in practice. Practice for him by fighting similar, but less formidible opponents, then, after taking 3,4, even 5 pratice fights, step up and test yourself. All the fights leading up to the big fight should have some concievable benefit for the big match. Then, test yourself.

If all you do is fight at your potential peak level, and amass a losing record you have just taken away you payday, and availability to promoters as a marquee matchup.

No fighter, of similar skill level would want to fight Bullet, because his record isn't as good as his skills and they don't want to lose to someone with his record. Same goes for Double Wide Del Real, the guy can fight,(people, trailers...you name it..he's game) and has the potential to beat them.

Try to keep your winning percentage at or above 75% and it keeps you marketable. The fighters record is just one aspect of marketability, but it is important.

Now, if you just want to pound a few beers and step into the GC cage on a dare from your friends that think you're tough cuz you beat up a few people in high school and are really strong or hit really hard, this doesn't apply. But for a career, its a damm good thing to keep in mind, expecially now that the money is getting better.

dude appreciate the compliment.

I sit back and wonder when people will understand that good management is a major part of this game. I sure do and wish i had it back when i got started or was smart enough to understand the game before i dug myself into a hole. I see many others going the same route and a bit of advice. Its not fun being better than your record. All because you let your ego or bad career management get the best of you early in your career.

[Kanklekiller]

Mike Tyson is an excellent example of:
Good Management: When he started out and the people around him actually cared about him, his career, longevity, and his place in the history of boxing he was matched up carefully. They picked who he would fight, and had reasons why he would fight them. Some were big guys, with little power, no movement, and the ability to take a little beating. MT KTFO'd his way to glory. Remeber the three fighters that gave him problems on the way up?
Mitch "Blood Green: Tall fighter, with some movement and a jaw. He was tough to hit square, and threw a lot of not very powerfule punches and clinched his way to 15 rounds and a lost decision. Later, MT avenged the fact he was forced to go 15 rounds with a nobody by KTFO'ing him in a street fight. "Blood" later showed the judge how cool he was by stripping off his shirt, flexing, and proclaiming how he would ascend to the thrown of the heavyweights if given another chance to fight MT. The judge was unimpressed, and proceeded with sentencing.

Next, came Tony "TNT" Tucker, who actually held the belt from his lackluster victory over a bloated James "buster" Douglass... 15 rounds, good movement, decided height advantage, but necessary to pick up anothe piece of the undisputed title. MT by decision.

Finally, still at his peak, there was the immortal James "Bonecrusher" Smith, (God I hope it wasn't a former boyfriend that dubbed him that) who also used his size/height advantage, and clinching to hug MT for 15, just to say he had gone the distance with MT.


BAD MANAGEMENT: Don King enters the picture, and Donavan "Razor" Ruddick fresh off of knocking out Michael Dokes for what seemed like two hours, when quite a while, before a possible paid off ref stopped it with Razor on still seeming plenty able to fight, and doing a good job of it. HEIGHT and weight were deciding factors in befudling MT, who is still working on learning to figure out how to put the pegs into the child toy with different shapes, nor did he ever figure out tall fighters...with skill.
ReMatch, simialar, but ended in decision.

In and attempt to "teach" they always wanted tall fighters, like the oft mentioan Jose Ribalta.... well they got one in Buster Douglas, and boy did Tyson take a beating...Size/Height


Evander Holyfield...Same thing, he was the bully in the ring.


WORST MANAGEMENT: With Tyson a shell of a person and fighter, they kept finding giants, was there a lack of Short fighters who were tomato cans?

Clifford Etinene? (Ya, now in jail for a long time, mayber there will be a rematch?) Sombody McBride (The 8ft tall Irshman)? Why? Niether of those guys had any name recognition, but both had what MT couldn't figure out...Height advantages. They could have milked MT for a while longer if they wouldn't have set him up to fail.....LEARN FROM THEM

[soccergurlmeg11]

For a succesful career a fighter must be brought along at their own speed. Each fight is a learning tool, and experience toward an ultimate goal.

If a person has a "goal fight" or wants to put a "benchmark" on where they are at in their career, they should strive for it.

Look at each major stepping stone as a peak. People don't just climb Mt. Everest, they start with smaller mountains and train for it by mt. climbing.

If you want to beat/fight "X-fighter" as a goal, then train for him in practice. Practice for him by fighting similar, but less formidible opponents, then, after taking 3,4, even 5 pratice fights, step up and test yourself. All the fights leading up to the big fight should have some concievable benefit for the big match. Then, test yourself.

If all you do is fight at your potential peak level, and amass a losing record you have just taken away you payday, and availability to promoters as a marquee matchup.

No fighter, of similar skill level would want to fight Bullet, because his record isn't as good as his skills and they don't want to lose to someone with his record.
Same goes for Double Wide Del Real, the guy can fight,(people, trailers...you name it..he's game) and has the potential to beat them.

Try to keep your winning percentage at or above 75% and it keeps you marketable. The fighters record is just one aspect of marketability, but it is important.

Now, if you just want to pound a few beers and step into the GC cage on a dare from your friends that think you're tough cuz you beat up a few people in high school and are really strong or hit really hard, this doesn't apply. But for a career, its a damm good thing to keep in mind, expecially now that the money is getting better.

Well said! *thumbs up*

[Drtysnake]

It all comes back to Balance...

KK, brings up a good point in the Tyson example, the guy was young and angry but had people who cared about him initially making decisions for him... next he was surrounded by people chasing $$$....

[bullet]

What does it take to be a marketable fighter? Are wins enough? I know alot of fighters that have great records but no one knows who they are?wins should be but sad to say are not. Look at john stockton and the utah jazz. Some people want the fame others just want to win the game.

[Hit Boy]

Check out the high light real on www. keepersofthecage. com i would pay to see that guy fight a million times no matter if he won or lost.

[slap]

ya thats entertaining, but he's also beating the fuck out of people